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Re: "Ninja" build 12857

1486 — 2010-09-05T21:15:16-07:00

Fact that there is no quest rewards from uldum and twilight highlands (from what i've heard anyway) probably isn't helping either. One way or the other, we can be pretty sure the whole mana starved thing is temporary, though still nice to let devs in case it isn't heh.

Statistics : Posted by Elrahd • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:15 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

4024 — 2010-09-05T21:04:06-07:00

Uh huh. That would explain mana consumption problems as people leveled up.

e: To be clear, I'm saying that, since spell mana costs are a percentage of base mana, all our spells get massively more expensive as we level up. That's why people are suddenly complaining about mana--they're gaining levels. Nothing to do with little details of the talents.

Statistics : Posted by Hamlet • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:04 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

932 — 2010-09-05T20:24:23-07:00

Elrahd wrote:

Righteo then... haha sorry mate, had no idea, thought you had to be doing something wrong. Pardon the ignorance >_<

No, it does feel strange to have almost a higher base mana at 85 compared to what my mana pool is now on live.

Statistics : Posted by lissanna • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:24 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

1486 — 2010-09-05T20:22:48-07:00

Righteo then... haha sorry mate, had no idea, thought you had to be doing something wrong. Pardon the ignorance >_<

EDIT: which now brings me to another point of discussion, does anyone else have a problem with having such high numbers? I mean... normally I'm the guy arguing that stat inflation is natural occurrence and isn't a problem... but 80k mana in non raid gear just seems really, really silly... Granted the numbers pass still needs to go through but still... is this really what Blizzard is testing us with?

Statistics : Posted by Elrahd • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:22 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

5453 — 2010-09-05T20:22:34-07:00

Well I did have 80k mana when I was grouped for Halls of Origination. Mana pools have gone insanely big.

..but that didn't stop me from going out of mana mid-fight.

Statistics : Posted by Lodis • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:22 pm

Re: trinket decision

3369 — 2010-09-05T20:22:04-07:00

h phylactery is better than h muradins

Statistics : Posted by Pwnzers • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:22 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

932 — 2010-09-05T20:19:02-07:00

Base mana has increased a lot, so I wouldn't actually be surprised if that kind of number was true. That's why healers are having such bad mana issues right now.

Statistics : Posted by lissanna • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:19 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

1486 — 2010-09-05T20:17:34-07:00

o.O did I miss the memo concerning a jump (and a massive one at that) in innate character stats then? Cause I was under the impression the stat jump was purely through gear... 20k naked mana is huge....

Statistics : Posted by Elrahd • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:17 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

5453 — 2010-09-05T20:06:00-07:00

Elrahd wrote:

Eh, that's still isn't right. It should only be a few thousand. I don't think you've subtracted the amount of mana intellect adds. Basically what you do is go talentless (which you've done), go naked, open up your character sheet and mouse over Intellect, it'll have "increases mana by X", subtract X from the mana you see on your mana bar.

For reference, base mana at 80 is 3496 for druids.

I did exactly that.
I dont have beta open right now, but I had about 20K mana naked, and the ~170 intellect I had increased my mana by about 2300.

Edit: Ok I have beta open again. Untalented and naked mana pool at lvl 85 is 20695. I have 156 intellect that grant me 2060 mana. 20695-2060=18635

Statistics : Posted by Lodis • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:06 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

1486 — 2010-09-05T20:03:21-07:00

Statistics : Posted by Elrahd • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:03 pm

trinket decision

2007 — 2010-09-05T19:58:49-07:00

what setup is better?

h muradins spyglass with h dislodged foreign object

or

h phylactery of the namless lich with h dislodged foreign object?

trying to decide to to aim for.

Statistics : Posted by Supremacy • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:58 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

5453 — 2010-09-05T19:44:37-07:00

Ah ok. In that case, base mana at lvl 85 is 18635 (that is without any talent).

Statistics : Posted by Lodis • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:44 pm

Re: Suggestion for Balance Druid

4619 — 2010-09-05T17:58:31-07:00

By far your best, and most realistic to implement idea was for Innervate. Very unique idea...turns it into a dps cooldown as well. Something to make sure is up near the end of the fight so you can sit in eclipse, or get to it quickly and just spam big damage.

Someone should DEFINITELY send that idea to the beta forums. A good cd or increased damage when opponent is at low health is one thing we've always been missing.

Statistics : Posted by Dagmeruid • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:58 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

4024 — 2010-09-05T17:10:12-07:00

Base Mana is mana at 0 int. Best way to see it is is to look at total mana (ideally without Furor) and then subtract off all mana from Int (viewed by mousing over Int on your character sheet).

Statistics : Posted by Hamlet • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:10 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

5453 — 2010-09-05T16:50:25-07:00

My base mana at lvl 85 is 23012, I do have 2 points in furor though.

Statistics : Posted by Lodis • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:50 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

932 — 2010-09-05T15:55:51-07:00

I'm still 5 bubbles from 85. Maybe someone else can look it up. I got stuck at a point in questing where I just get my face bashed in on every quest I try, so I gave up for the night. Going to build up a little more rested XP.

Statistics : Posted by lissanna • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:55 pm

Server First! Guild LF active raiding Moonkin

3637 — 2010-09-05T15:53:52-07:00

is an Alliance based PvE guild on US- The Scryers. Currently 11/12 Heroic ICC with GOTIR.

I'm a former officer with this guild, and one of their top DPS. However; due to a recent promotion in my career, I cannot handle their late night raiding schedule anymore. Expectations for this PvE moonkin are high. Not to sound too cocky, but you will be replacing me, and that's no easy task.

Here's the guild spam.

is recruiting!
Our raid times are 8-12 PST Tuesday-Thursday for 25man progression.
If we clear early we can run 10s, otherwise 10s are done on weekends and Mondays.
"http://www.latecrew-ap.com" to apply!

Raid Progression -
10man:
RS 1/1 - Heroic 0/1
ICC: 12/12 Normal - 11/12 Heroic - (Glory of the Icecrown Raider Completed, Alts and Casuals getting drakes now)
TOC: 5/5
ToGC: 5/5 (A Tribute to Insanity)
Ulduar 14/14 GOTUR (Glory of the Ulduar Raider Completed, Alts gettin...

Statistics : Posted by Kunsgnos • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:53 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

4024 — 2010-09-05T15:47:27-07:00

Can you check what your base mana is at level 85?

Statistics : Posted by Hamlet • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:47 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

932 — 2010-09-05T15:43:39-07:00

I'm not sure. All I know is that mana wasn't a problem last build, and it is a problem this build.

Statistics : Posted by lissanna • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:43 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

4024 — 2010-09-05T15:04:51-07:00

Given that, for example, some people have passive hidden 50% Intensity on the beta or other random bonuses that are artifacts of copying, it's really hard to subjectively judge mana consumption. Also, do we know what they're planning for Replenishment? That will matter a lot. Anyway, last I ever saw, the spec-based Dreamstate was always listed as 3%, which is only around 50 MP5 for most people. Not a tiny amount, but shouldn't be a very dramatic change to the naked eye.

Statistics : Posted by Hamlet • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:04 pm

Re: Epic Typhoon

2010-09-05T12:42:07-07:00

Angiè wrote:

hah, i randomly stumbled across your video on youtube today, epic way to defend Thunder Bluff. Btw the foofy <3 whisprunner video was genious! )

That was a fun night

Statistics : Posted by Vakarian • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:42 pm

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

932 — 2010-09-05T07:26:31-07:00

For some reason, dreamstate makes a big deal. We have huge mana problems without it, and then don't have mana problems when it's in a build. We've lost & gained it back a couple times so far, and it really is a noticeable difference.

Statistics : Posted by lissanna • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:26 am

Re: "Ninja" build 12857

4024 — 2010-09-05T07:11:04-07:00

I'm not sure why the loss of Dreamstate is such a big deal. It was only 3% before, right? That's very little MP5. Mana problems are probably due to the fact that people are leveling/soloing more on the beta and can't benefit as much from Euphoria. Also, if base mana goes up significantly as you level then spells get more expensive.

Moonfire spamming to grind sounds very nice to me, since you can continue moving. Movement is basically everything for grinding speed (to be honest, I was assuming I'd level as Feral because of the movement speed bonus).

Statistics : Posted by Hamlet • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:11 am

Re: Suggestion for Balance Druid

5162 — 2010-09-05T07:09:27-07:00

i'm going to indulge you, cos i'm bored, and well, your ideas are far more interesting than what they're doing so far.. so till they do something, i'm going to read and respond to this ability by ability.

inc wall of text.

Statistics : Posted by Starfury • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:09 am

Re: Exciting talent trees so far

4513 — 2010-09-05T07:09:03-07:00

Druids are shallow, and we simply have to wait whether we'll get an actual pass or end up with mere tweaks.

Look at hunters, for example. Their big change was their new mechanic, which most of them hate. And even should the mechanic be polished, it's obvious that it was put in place to nerf their mobile damage and reduce their burst cycles.

And yet their talents so far are pretty bland, and the answers they've gotten from devs is to not expect anything similar to the warrior/paladin changes to talents. That's made me less excited about my hunter than, say, playing a warlock. Or my death knight than, say a paladin.

Statistics : Posted by Lucrece • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:09 am

Suggestion for Balance Druid

5501 — 2010-09-05T04:18:39-07:00

These are just ideas that I made up ^_^

(MK) means Moonkin Form
These are all added effects to their current mechanics
Spells/Talents encased in * * are new.

Nature's Grace:
All non-periodic spell criticals have grace you with a blessing of nature,
increasing your spell casting speed by 8%/15% for 3 seconds.
(2 Points instead of 3)

Nature's Majesty:
Increases the critical strike chance with spells by 2%/4%/6%.
(3 Points instead of 2)

Nature's Grasp:
Procs off any source of incoming damage(melee, ranged, spells).
(Cannot occur on the same target more than once every 5 seconds.)
(Lasts for 20 seconds.)

Entangling Roots:
No longer breaks on damage(still deals damage) and lasts for 5 seconds.
(Instant, 30 seconds cooldown)

Barkskin:
All damage taken is reduced by 30%. This spell is usable while
stunned, frozen, incapacitated, feared or asleep. Usable in all forms.
(Cannot be dispelled.)
(Lasts 12 sec.)

Thorns:
Reflects b...

Statistics : Posted by N1c0L0 • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:18 am

Re: Exciting talent trees so far

1486 — 2010-09-05T02:05:24-07:00

Druids could use some attention all around imo. Bears don't have a rotation any better than us, plus have some problems with snap aggro due to mangle no longer having a CD and consequent changes, while ToL for resto could maybe use a decrease in CD with a lowering of effects as a compensation.

Statistics : Posted by Elrahd • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:05 am

Re: Exciting talent trees so far

5162 — 2010-09-05T01:56:37-07:00

Elrahd wrote:

Um... I'll be honest and say the game's been better off since GC became lead design, imo anyway. I don't remember there being as much dev to player interaction, at least not since Caydiem left as "druid rep". People complain regardless whether the devs are talking to us or not, just that they'll justify their complaints with different reasons depending on whether it's one or the other. I don't think any of the words used in your last paragraph are warranted.

yeah GC is cool.. i like that he interacts with the players, even though i'm frustrated that we don't get that sort of attention as balance druids ..but still tha'ts his choice, as long as they finish properly the spec, and not leave it half done then use the "it's only one spec" thing which even if it's true, is just disappointing

anyway, i know they have been doing a lot of work on palas and encounter design, flow etc, i just hope that he really sees...

Statistics : Posted by Starfury • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:56 am

Re: Exciting talent trees so far

1486 — 2010-09-05T01:22:07-07:00

Statistics : Posted by Elrahd • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:22 am

Re: Exciting talent trees so far

2623 — 2010-09-04T23:32:55-07:00

The irony of that Enhancement post is that in another previous one discussing Rockbitter or whatever it's called in the past, he conflictingly states that tanking for enhance is dead (true), yet comes up with the dumb reason that some insane person would somehow magically blow about 3+ GCDs to switch weapon enchants to Rockbitter, melee something to get it going, and use the taunt effect to allegedly save some healer (which likely would have been dead by then).

Ditto for his arguments on Selfless Healer being deep in the Ret tree; no sane or semi-decent person playing Ret will EVER take something as worthless as Selfless Healer to try for a vain-glorious attempt at a save in a situation that would likely wipe regardless. Even in PvP it has rather marginal benefits, as it only works if you heal someone other than yourself...guess what a Ret pally is more likely worried about in PvP other than healing a random noob in a BG? That's right, he'd much rather heal himself than save a nobod...

Statistics : Posted by Shinryu • on Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:32 am

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